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bobo9390
Why do people treat liking metalcore and deathcore as being some sort of guilty pleasure, but liking hardcore is treated as practically a lifestyle? I feel when the metal inspired riffs and vocals are taken out of the mix, hardcore just gets boring to me aside from a few bands. I know hardcore came first, but that's a silly reason to put it on a pedestal.
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bobo9390
Meh, I'm not too into that kind of pop punk. Too closely tied to real punk for my liking. New Found Glory, Every Avenue, blink 182 is the kinda stuff I like. Title Fight is awesome, but I really don't enjoy stuff like Basement. Takes itself too seriously. I like the cheery, sugary pop punk.
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spineshank155
I don't know that many metalcore bands to begin with, only know of several bands.
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Registeel
@Hayden Erra are extremely good, but I hate the cleans more than anything. So many deathcore bands try using cleans an utterly fail. However when metalcore bands like The Ghost Inside, All That Remains, A Skylit Drive (I love this band, I know everybody else hates them LOL), etc use them it is somehow enjoyable. Cleans do not turn me off, but when I'm listening to brutal shit I don't need Kevin Rudolf singing the chorus. Take [artist]Nightshade[/artist] and [artist]An Ocean Between Us[/artist] for example.
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Considerables
@bobo9390: I mean horribly executed vocals that you would hear from some Pop-Punk bands. I like some Pop-Punk. It was the Punk I listened to before I knew what Punk was, or even before I developed a taste in music. I listen to a lot of Pop-punk in the vein of Title Fight, Balance and Compsure, and Basement. But at any rate, The earliest Thrash bands were not influenced by Hardcore, because Hardcore wasn't yet established. By 78/79, some of the very first bands that would go on to be considered HC were just forming. Of course Thrash takes influence from Hardcore, that's so prevalent. But, when it comes to very early, and I mean dinosaur-early, it's not. Not only that, but yes, NWOBHM did influence Thrash a lot. But this doesn't really matter because most of this is just debating derivative bullshit, I'm just stoked that there are bands out there like Skeletonwitch and Toxic Holocaust and municipal waste that are playing Thrash and playing it right. :D
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xVictimOfADownx
"I don't think i have heard too many 'whiny vocal metalcore' bands, if any at all." What? Do you even listen to modern metalcore then? It's extremely prominent, especially because of Rise Records. // @Considerables You should check out Erra man, they are literally the ONLY band I know of that makes that style of clean vocals sound listenable. Probably one of the only bands right now pushing the genre forward right now too.
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bobo9390
I like metalcore because I loved pop punk first, so I see no problems with that style of singing. It's what drew me in to begin with. Modern metalcore is essentially a metal subgenre for kids who grew up listening to pop punk. That's why so many people hate it, but I see absolutely nothing negative about that. Just go to a pop punk or metalcore show these days, and it should be evident how much the fanbases of the two overlap.
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Considerables
God, I fucking HATE clean vocals. It's a huge reason for my major dislike for a lot of these new bands popping up. It can be pulled of well on extreme occasion, but not when it sounds like shitty pop-punk vocals that were horribly executed.
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spineshank155
I don't think i have heard too many 'whiny vocal metalcore' bands, if any at all.
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spineshank155
Well technically your right, though most i have encountered just say they don't like music that scream or metal because of screaming, growling, grunting, ect. It might be more common in the scene to hear people say they don't like metalcore cuz of the vocals. I've had a few people comment on my music taste saying 'oh you like hardcore music' when it's really just metal (and subgenres), not just hardcore lol.
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spineshank155
Metalhead elitists and those who hate screaming in their music are the only ones who don't really like metalcore.
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bobo9390
We're just at a really weird crossroads in hardcore history where "true" hardcore kids and scene kids are basically the same thing at the moment. The average metalcore/deathcore kid of 2010 is now getting hyped about bands like Terror and Weekend Nachos. Will hardcore now hit the same popularity metalcore once did? I doubt it, but I'm excited to see what happens.
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bobo9390
I don't worry much about metalcore being disliked now though. It will get the credit it deserves eventually. Anything associated with the hardcore scene whatsoever that isn't like anything from the past, gets hated when it's new and revered once it's time passes. This has been proven time and time again. These days, people reminisce of the days of bands like Poison The Well and The Bled, while completely leaving the part out about how "real" hardcore kids shit all over those bands back in the day. Trust me, give it 5 to 7 more years, and people will be bitching about how new bands need to sound more like Bring Me The Horizon and Chelsea Grin. I swear it will happen.
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bobo9390
Thrash is good times. Even though people won't admit it, thrash was the foundation for what metalcore eventually became. Thrash influenced the groove metal scene of the 90s, which directly influenced the metalcore and deathcore scenes of the 00s. At least that's how I see it. Metalcore like Killswitch Engage and Parkway Drive would not have developed the same way if bands like Pantera didn't do their thing in the 90s.
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spineshank155
I meant that metalcore/hardcore has thrash influences, not thrash has hardcore influence (i worded that wrong) though didn't hardcore didn't even exist til after thrash or about the same time?
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spineshank155
I don't really think some people realize that some metal genres came from [url=http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/hardcore+punk]Hardcore[/url], mainly [url=http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Thrash+Metal]Thrash[/url] which both stems from at least some form of rock. I've heard both Hardcore and Metal but naturally i just listen to more Metal then Punk/Hardcore. Then again i grew up hearing Metallica, Black Sabbath, ect and some Christian rock/metal artists. Growing up i was into pop, rap, techno/electronica ect.. until metal just dominated my listening habits.
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Considerables
I see you listen to more Metal than Hardcore, so it makes sense. I actually got into Hardcore before I did Metal, so yeah. I'm pretty picky when to comes to Metal in general, lol.
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Considerables
I'll be perfectly honest: all of the Metalcore I listen to(save Norma Jean and Every time I Die) lean on the more Hardcore side. It's not that I hate on the bands above just cuz(and I don't Hate them), it's because they just sound boring. But don't get me wrong, I can respect a good breakdown.
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bobo9390
v this guy has the right idea. Integrity is just as much metalcore as say, Killswitch Engage. One just takes a lot from hardcore, while the other takes a lot from metal. Plus, they are both influenced by wildly different eras and forms of hardcore and metal. Of course they're going to sound different from each other.
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Considerables
Metalcore is a genre of music, obviously. It's just not Metal. But with that said, a lot of modern Metalcore bands(the bands that are hated on the most) are more influenced by Metal than Hardcore. That's why older Metalcore sounds pretty different: It still sounded like Hardcore.
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spineshank155
I don't know anyone who would stick their hand in that let alone you would have to know there are diamonds there to begin with. Some metalcore has been meh to me others are ok and others i like from time to time.
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Considerables
Bobo, some of my favorite bands are Metalcore. Please, understand what i'm saying.
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xVictimOfADownx
"Biohazard anyone?" Rap should not be mixed with metal/hardcore unless it's Candiria or Evolucid. Smash Hit Combo are all right I guess.
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