Wow. I strongly agree. :D

That was a great read, thanks for posting!

EGWarrioR escreveu:

thanks for very interesting facts =) I love Kylie, she is amazing and so beautiful.

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awhite87 escreveu:

Interesting read, but I have to say I disagree.

Both Kylie and Madonna are popular mainstream performers. There are also many, many other performers who are not as well recognised as either Madonna or Kylie, but whome both those artists no doubt take inspiration from.

My point is - nothing is ever original. You can always trace it back to something, or someone. And I've always thought Kylie and Madonna are sufficiently different to be enjoyed on different levels.

The simmilarties aren't that compelling, IMO.

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electro_simon escreveu:

I absoultely get your point. :)

In fact, I said that in the text: It's ok if she finds inspiration in some film, photographer, whatever.

I mean, it is absolutely normal and sometimes necessary.

But the sad thing (for Madonna) is to get inspired in a fellow pop female singer. That is the clearest proof of lacking of originality. It would be as sad as if Usher copied Justin Timberlake; using the disco-balled theme in the cover of his album and things like that.


In fact; Madonna hasn't done this just to Kylie, she has done it maaany times with several artists. Just google up: madonna plagiarism and you will be amazed.

And if after the images in the text, you are not convinced, I seriously don't know what else do you need. Madonna dressed up in the Galliano sapphire showgirl outfit, perhaps?


But as a fan of hers, I respect your point of view and I thank you for commenting!
Have a great day. :)

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I agree with the fact that Kylie does deserve as much credit as Madonna for re-inventing herself so many times in her own way. I always thought Kylie's re-inventions were much more dramatic than Madonna's.

BritneyFanFeva escreveu:

I like this, good article, true, Kylie is a really ever-changing person...I always liked Kylie better anyway!

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lightfire escreveu:

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lukealan escreveu:

well....

i agree that kylie did it first but dont u think that its the person that does it better that wins?

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electro_simon escreveu:

Of course, and I said that. Madonna's singles & albums have been more succesful than Kylie's.

But this journal is about Madonna's lack-of-originality and finding inspiration in La Minogue. ;)

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Gangstera escreveu:

Well, I prefer Madonna, but I also agree with this topic!

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So I can see your points being made here but...

Kylie's Lets Get To It' tour, was a blatant 'Blond Ambition' copy...lets call it an 'homage'.

Ray of Light was released a massive *gasp* 2 months after Impossible Princess. Surely Madge went out, purchased IP, copied its sound and completely recorded ROL in that space of time.
Also, Madonna had experimented with electronica/dance with the track Bedtime Story, back in 94. BOOH yourself!

Asian-ness: Madonna was dressed in an asian outfit with that bun hair thing when she sang Take a Bow at the AMAs...in 1995! *Kylie wore practically the same outfit aand hairstyle when she was at the Shanghai H&M aswell*
This was efore Kylie was dressed in her asian cosume.
Oh and Kylie at H&M....what other pop queen did that just before Kylie? Hmm....

Cowboys: Wasn't Madonna wearing a cowboy hat back in 87 with her You Can Dance remix album? :O
Musi was a country-techno experimental music style so cowboys are an obvious choice. Cowboy Style is just pop.

Spinning Around's video has dancing on a bar (True Blue video), hotpants (Girlie Show Tour) and a disco dancefloor (Ray of Light video)!

Funnily enough Fever has a song called Dancefloor?
Actually funnily enough Madonna uses 'dancefloor' in many songs...Vogue for one AND madonna released a song called...FEVER! omg!

Multiple mirrors? Really? Like in Madonna's Human Nature video (1995)?? OMG
Madonna's American Life cover/artwork is actually based on Patty Hearst (think a human Paris Hilton...but who became a revolutionary), most people misake the artwork for Che. But Che? Like that Che Guevara from Evita????

The hotlines ar both based on....HOTLINES! Except Madonna's actually existed. But wasn't Madonna a phone-sex hotline owner in the movie Girl 6? :O

On tours, look at Lets Get To It vs Blond Ambition.
Showgirl - wasn't Madonna showgirl during BA, in Bloodounds of Broadway and in the 1995 photoshoot with Mario Testino?
Hadn't Madonna used an eastern influence way back at Blonde Ambition befor Kylie at Showgirl? Wen kylie relaunched Shwgirl weren't there posters of her in a metal headdress like Madonna had in her Steven Klein Future Lovers shoot?

So in summation, Madonna was introspective in Like a Prayer, Asian at the AMAs '95, Cowgirl in You Can Dance, Disco with her debut single(!!!!) and was making dance/electronica ALL before Kylie!!!

Boooh you baby!

anyhoo...we need new albums from both!
:D

electro_simon escreveu:

As I stated before: Kylie copied Madonna during the beginning of her career. So, I started to compare from 1994 and on.


*IP was released in Japan on October 1997 - Whereas Madonna released Ray OF Light in February 1998. I truly believe there's enough time to do something about her introspective album.

*Kylie released her electronic/balad/dance album (Kylie Minogue) on September 1994. Madonna released Bedtime Stories on October 1994.
Funnily enough, with balads, electro bits and some dance elements.

*I was not talking about asianess; I was talking about the geisha outfits that OBVIOUSLY Kylie wore FIRST.

*Madonna WAS NOT wearing a cowboy hat in the cover of You Can Dance, you IGNORANT. It was a bolero hat; in fact, she was also wearing a bolero jacket. She was dressed-up slighty as a spanish bolero male performer.
So, clearly, Kylie was a cowboy girl FIRST.
Big BOOOH @ U.

*Spinning Around is filled with Disco elements (From the 70s obviously); Madonna had NOTHING of that before. Period.

*In Human Nature is only one mirror, darling. Not two or there, where her poses are reflected. So, Kylie used the multi-mirrored images FIRST.

*For the Che Guevara inspired photo, just read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_%28photo%29
Madonna is included.

*The hotline idea, clearly Kylie did it FIRST in 1994.

*Madonna wore a corset by Mr. Pearl; but did she really wore it out? I mean, did she embraced a whole era based in burlesque, disco, Las Vegas showgirl thing? NO.

And if we begin to compare everything; Kylie embraced ABBA first (covering Dancing Queen and being a known fan of them), embraced Donna Summer first(covering her track I Feel Love first), embraced Disco era first, Electronic music first, Indie/electronic first and even the geisha crappy thing.


I mean, just watch this image, were do you thing that the whole COADF era came from?:





And if you REALLY believe that Madonna is the supreme creator of everything in Pop culture, just read this loooong article about Madonna's plagiarism:

http://www.aishamusic.com/plagiarism.htm


I hope you open your beautifl innocent eyes. :)

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electro_simon escreveu:

For more plagiarism made by Madonna, you can check out this article. Which is in Spanish, but has some VERY illustrative images and interesting links:

http://www.juliangonzalezalmazan.com/lamesacamilla/plagiosmadonna.htm

<3 Simon.

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The fact that you linked 'Aisha' and her madonna page just shows how desperate you are to prove a point and it completely detracts from anything you stated as Aisha is clearly delusional and claims Madonna, Beyonce, Missy Elliott among others have personally stolen her ideas. She claims music videos, beats, lyrics and movies have been stolen by these people.

I couldn't read the second page as I'm irish and have no knowledge of spanish but it seems to contain much the same 'evidence' as Aisha's.
'Evidence' such as two songs being wrtten about 'voguing' or being a 'virgin' as proof. In that case isn't every song written about 'love' plagiarised from an original love song?

How could Kylie embrace disco first when madonna's DEBUT single was a disco track? That baffles me.If Kylie was the 'original' ABBA fan, how come she didn't write a synopsis about their music for their greatest hits?
That picture of Kylie just shows a similar outfit to one worn by one of the ABBA woman. In that case Madonna nad Kylie both copied her!
I own Kylie Minogue and there is no electronica on that anywhere near to Bedtime Story. Its a pop album.

The spaces betwen album releases is just palin ignorant!Can you seriously claim that you think Madonna (in about 2 months) plagiarised Kylie's sound for TWO albums, wrote, recorded, arranged, did promotion/artwork etc for her own albums? Thats no only improbable...its impossible.

If you are adamant about Kylie being 'geisha' first, what do you say about Kylie at H&M versus Madonna at the 95 AMAs?

Human Nature shows Madonnas moves reflected in a mirror...same thig is shown in the Kylie picture...she just has an extra mirror. The essence of pop-diva reflected in mirror is the same in both.

If you read what I wrote you'll note that I mentioned Che. Also I mentioned how that Madonna AL artwork is mistaken for him when it actually references Patty Hearst.

The majority of your argument is about who referenced *insert name here* first
Both women reference others, they combine various elements of pop culture. If you appreciate both artists you must appreciate that they are not the 'supreme creator of pop culture', they are a part of pop culture.
The women appreciate each other. Madonna wore her shirt celebrating Kylie's comeback and went to her Showgirl show. Kylie covered Vogue and siad herself that Madonna is the queen.
Leave it at that.

PS: Madonna was a geisha in that mid-nineties Japanese ad for Takara drink-thingy

electro_simon escreveu:

Oh, I sure appreciate both. And I know that NONE of them created all of those things; In my journal I claim just the things that Kylie did first and that Madonna clearly copied some time after.

The writing's on the wall.

But you have got to put out aaaall of useless arguments that in the end, have nothing to do with what I stated first.

However, it is OK. You are entitled to you own opinion.
But it's quite obvious that Madonna, has done several things that were not her ideas. From Like A Virgin to the Sky Fits Heaven.
And has copied Kylie's ideas since a decade ago and, of course, had all the credit.


I still love her, but I'm just not blinded.


Best regards,
Simon.

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Well you can say I'm 'blinded' or 'ignorant' as long as you want Simon. I feel quite happy with defeating some (not all) of your 'points'. And also without resorting to insults.

No matter what, even if it was true that Madonna relies on Kylie for ideas its is still Madonna who is known as the 'Queen', as the most successful female artist of all time and as the 'mother of reinvention'.

You can take all this (your alledged plagiarisms), take it away, and she'd still have it all.

;)

electro_simon escreveu:

Hahaha, no, if we take (for an example) her COADF era, she'd still be in the pathetic era of American Life, with a shameful tour (RIT; where it was all based in an electric chair and kilts) and finding out what the hell to do, lol.

So, she wouldn't be the same, that's for sure.


But as I stated before (in the very beginning or my journal)

I know that Madonna is the Queen Of Pop and had been creating new trends and patterns in music industry, specially in Pop music.


So, that is.
Have a great evening and, to finally end this up. OK, you win. lol.
That's your b-day present. ;)

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skyscraperboy escreveu:

Kylie all the way!

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Mr_Integrity escreveu:

I wouldnt say that Madonna copied Kylie!! What about her albums : Madonna , Like a Virgin , True Blue, I'm Breathless , Erotica , Bedtime Stories??? Impossible Princess and Ray of light were made in 1998 , same year. Music , American life , COTTF have some similarity with Kylie , but so does Britney , Xtina ... Its pop music. You see the same thing over and over again but some do it better like Madonna and some are just good!!

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Mr_Integrity escreveu:

Funny thing!!

Madonna , Bjork and Kylie had geisha look in 1997. ! LOL

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Didohotep escreveu:

I strongly disagree with what you've said that Madonna has STOLEN the ABBA sample ;) Please, first inform yourself a bit more on this topic, because it's more than ridiculous to say that one of the most famous and prolific performers of our time would steal any music and even worse music that is famous to the whole world.
About the similarities I don't find anything strange that they would copy from one another, but still Madonna always manages to make it in a more visible way :) Still both are cool :))

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Paris_By_Night escreveu:

We could do the same in the other sense, look at the first Showgirl blue dress, Madonna had the same before, ect ...

To me they have copied themselves a little bit but it doesn't matter at all !! I don't care because I love both !

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